bill clinton tried the approach that i'm talking about. we created 23 million new jobs. we went from deficit to surplus and businesses did very well. so in some ways we've got some data on which approach is more likely to create jobs and opportunity for americans and i believe that the economy works best when middle-class families are getting tax breaks so they've got some money in their pockets and those of us who have done extraordinarily well because of this magnificent country that we live in that we can afford to do a little bit more to make sure we're not blowing up the deficit. >> lehrer: next segment -- >> the president began this segment so i think i'm going to get the last word so i'm going to take it. >> lehrer: you're going to get the first word in that segment. >> he's going to get the first word in that segment. i'm going to get the last word. >> he can rev it. >> let me repeat what i just said. i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not my plan. my plan is not to put in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit. so you may keep referring to